Elitist Vegetarianism

This is something I thought would be a decent topic of discussion or debate.

As a lot of you know, Im a regular user of Tumblr, thus most of the shit reblogged on my dash tends to fall towards debates on stuff. Vegetarianism/veganism/eating meat/ect. is a common one that I see a lot, and thus I see a lot of hate and arguing on the subject. So, what are your views on vegetarianism/veganism? I know we have at least one vegetarian here who can share some feelings from that side.

Me personally, I am not a vegetarian. I would go vegetarian if I could still eat fish and I had the monetary resources to do so (iirc, vegetarians can eat fish, vegans eat no animal product), but I enjoy other meat products too much and I'm too poor to be able to do so. I have no issues with the ideas behind it or its practice (hell if you can make a healthy diet for yourself without meat then more power to you), but my problem here arises from the elitist vegans/vegetarians.

You all know who Im talking about. The ones who will invade your discussion on burgers out of the blue and try to shame you for eating anything that isnt a plant. The ones who will spam their ideals about how all meat-eating people are murders supporting a "corporate slaughter of their animal brothers and sisters". Extremists that think theyre doing good, but in reality are just forcing their beliefs down everyones throat like a crazed religious nut. Those ones give the typical vegetarian/vegan a bad name.

The reason I bring all this up is because during my regular blog browsing, I came across one of "those" blogs. You know, the ones that are so bent out of shape to support every cause known to man that they just come off as a lunatic. Well this one had to be the most ridiculous blog I had ever read in my life. Never had I see someone so butthurt, unable to take any joke (all of which werent even directed towards or referencing anything that would pertain to them), and lash out in such a hateful way. I had to give up on trying to keep reading through the blog once I saw a post about believing in being "transaged" and then going on about "inbox privilege". The point being, veganism was a huge part of their blog. They were replying to almost everything that had an animal in it or a meat product and essentially "omnivore-shaming" in such a hateful way, and I just found it sad and ridiculous.

So then, what are your views on being vegetarian or vegan? How many of these crazed elitist vegans have you had the pleasure of meeting?

ah shit, this thread...

I don't don't tell people in RL I'm vegetarian. for basically that very reason. people automatically assume I think I'm better than everyone else because of it.

All I know is I am going to eat my steak forever, and if someone tries to tell me I should do otherwise, I'll simply over-enjoy it so as to piss them off.

my 2 cents is this.

it's like the furry fandom. the LAST thing you want is "that guy" going up to everybody and making a horrible impression, because you KNOW that's just going to be the first impression everybody gets of furries.

a lot of vegetarians/vegans are pricks. those are the kind of people I REALLY wish didn't have to be associated with the lifestyle. I know what you're talking about on tumblr kaizy, I see it all the time. I just sit here and think "god. fucking. dammit vegans. STOP. just... STOP!"

I'm fine with vegetarians and understand the Singer-style moral arguments. But... I carry a gun. I would be willing to kill a human being. It would be kind of weird if I valued the life of an animal more than that of a human. I still try to avoid pork and beef though. Light meat, fish, and plant protein is better for you anyway.

People can make whatever dietary decisions they want.

Many people simply need to learn that fact.

I think I mentioned this before but someone once said I'd probably eat my own dog when I ran out of food instead of going grocery shopping. These people are ridiculous.



If you don't want it eat meat, that is perfectly fine. There's nothing wrong with not eating meat. At the same time there is nothing wrong with eating meat and you should't try to stop me unless I start eating other people.

We know you're alright, Milo.

I've never gotten slack for eating meat.

I like the idea of vegetarianism, and I can really respect vegetarians for being so reserved. I've considered (loosely) practicing it once I live on my own.
I've been skipping out on meat at my school's cafeteria, and I find myself not missing meat at all. I'm really picky about my meat anyway, so I don't eat a lot anyway, unless it's given to me. I still order meat entrees when I eat out, though...

1) The only thing on this planet that gets its food by not killing anything is a plant. Everything else has to kill something to eat. That's how life works. That's how life always worked. There's a reason why most (of not all) food chains start at plants. Stop ragging on people for doing something that's been natural for thousands of years.

2) Any vegetarian or vegan that thinks eating solely plants is going to save the lives of thousands of animals is dead wrong and needs to stop using that shitty argument. Those combines rip apart thousands of small animals a year that live in the fields of corn; those independent farmers aren't saints either. People growing their own shit probably aren't kill-free as well. If you're vegetarian because it's healthy for you, then sweet; more power to you, and that's one argument that can't be debunked at all.

Bonus points if you only eat fruit dropped from trees or something.

3) Not everyone can run a vegetarian diet. Everyone's biochemistry is different in so many ways it teeters on the edge of stupid.

Lol, being elite over food. That is just sad.

Oh and meat eaters are exempt from this shit either. Stop going on vegetarian sites/blogs/forums/whatever and harassing them.

It's just fucking food. Get over it.

MiloTime wrote:

ah shit, this thread...

I don't don't tell people in RL I'm vegetarian. for basically that very reason. people automatically assume I think I'm better than everyone else because of it.

Yeah you definitely dont strike me as the elitist vegetarian type

I know certain meat tends to be more unsafe than others (ex. ground beef, chicken is sketchy if not cooked properly), but I still eat it anyways because I dont have the resources to deny cheaper food. Sadly getting good vegetables is hard to do on a budget unless you want to opt for canned over fresh, and fish is pricey as fuck.

Maybe someday when Im making decent money and I can afford salads and fish regularly

Kaizy wrote:

Maybe someday when Im making decent money and I can afford salads and fish regularly

some of my friends have figured out a system that makes it even cheaper to live a vegan lifestyle, than buying meat. it's a little too complicated for me though, so I just stick to horrible junk food :B

MiloTime wrote:

Kaizy wrote:

Maybe someday when Im making decent money and I can afford salads and fish regularly

some of my friends have figured out a system that makes it even cheaper to live a vegan lifestyle, than buying meat. it's a little too complicated for me though, so I just stick to horrible junk food :B

I live on microwavable dinners and ramen

I spend about $12 every couple weeks and eat for a couple weeks

Tank Abuse wrote:

1) The only thing on this planet that gets its food by not killing anything is a plant. Everything else has to kill something to eat.

Wrong.

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That's how life always worked.

No, it's not. Also, just because something is a certain way, that doesn't mean it should stay that way.

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There's a reason why most (of not all) food chains start at plants.

That reason being: They make up the majority of primary producers on land. In the ocean, most food chains start with algae.

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Stop ragging on people for doing something that's been natural for thousands of years.

'Thousands'. Fucking what? Hominids have walked the Earth for millions of years, and heterotrophy has existed on our planet for billions of years.

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2) Any vegetarian or vegan that thinks eating solely plants is going to save the lives of thousands of animals is dead wrong and needs to stop using that shitty argument. Those combines rip apart thousands of small animals a year that live in the fields of corn; those independent farmers aren't saints either.

Eh... Wow. It still does save the lives of animals, regardless of whether or not other animals are dying anyway.

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Not everyone can run a vegetarian diet. Everyone's biochemistry is different in so many ways it teeters on the edge of stupid.

Biochemistry is my major.

I am a senior.

I have a 3.7 GPA.

What you just said is stupid. Really stupid.


Almost everything you just said is stupid.

I eat meat every day, I only eat vegetables so I don't keel over dead, and I rarely eat fruit.

But your post was bad and you should feel bad.

Riv wrote:

Tank Abuse wrote:

Stop ragging on people for doing something that's been natural for thousands of years.

'Thousands'. Fucking what? Hominids have walked the Earth for millions of years, and heterotrophy has existed on our planet for billions of years.

What about the bible riv? According to it the earth is only 6,000 years old. Not to menti....I can't do this. Im about to passout from laughing so hard at my statement.

Eat whatever you want.

Just make sure you have a healthy dose of cyanide in each meal.

If sometime in the future they can perfect stem-cell grown meat and make it taste as good as the real thing, and it's the same price or cheaper, then I'll stop eating real meat. (they're actually working on this now but it's faaaaar from edible, that's years off)

I don't feel bad for eating animals but factory farming is terrible and also really bad for the environment too actually. I wish I could afford to try grass fed steak sometime, that's supposed to taste amazing

I eat free-range eggs at least.

Lucy wrote:

Eat whatever you want.

Just make sure you have a healthy dose of cyanide in each meal.

A lot of people dont get their daily dose of cyanide...its sad really

blackfuredfox wrote:

Riv wrote:

Tank Abuse wrote:

Stop ragging on people for doing something that's been natural for thousands of years.

'Thousands'. Fucking what? Hominids have walked the Earth for millions of years, and heterotrophy has existed on our planet for billions of years.

What about the bible riv? According to it the earth is only 6,000 years old. Not to menti....I can't do this. Im about to passout from laughing so hard at my statement.

Oh, yeah, you're right. According to the Bible, all animals were vegetarians before the fall because magic apples.

Kaizy wrote:

Lucy wrote:

Eat whatever you want.

Just make sure you have a healthy dose of cyanide in each meal.

A lot of people dont get their daily dose of cyanide...its sad really

I get cranky without my vitamin caffeine. Mountain Dew is basically a serving of fruit per can, right?

Riv wrote:

Tank Abuse wrote:

1) The only thing on this planet that gets its food by not killing anything is a plant. Everything else has to kill something to eat.

shit .

Didn't even bother reading that.

Riv wrote:

Eh... Wow. It still does save the lives of animals, regardless of whether or not other animals are dying anyway.

people refuse to see the bigger picture. they focus on individual vegetarians. like this ONE vegetarian isn't doing shit to save animals. well maybe not, but the 8,000,000 other vegetarians/vegans in america alone are putting a dent in the industry... even if it's virtually invisible on a large scale.

the average american consumes over 200lbs. of meat per year. so 8,000,000 X 200 over a course of a single year is 1,600,000,000lbs. of meat, which means less demand for meat. even if 1,600,000,000 is just a tiny fraction.

again, I'm not judging those for eating meat. please, eat to your heart's content. I'm just there for the long-run effect. not each individual person who eats meat

MiloTime wrote:

the average american consumes over 200lbs. of meat...

But I can only drag 100 lbs back to the wagon...

greg-the-fox wrote:

If sometime in the future they can perfect stem-cell grown meat and make it taste as good as the real thing, and it's the same price or cheaper, then I'll stop eating real meat. (they're actually working on this now but it's faaaaar from edible, that's years off)

I don't feel bad for eating animals but factory farming is terrible and also really bad for the environment too actually. I wish I could afford to try grass fed steak sometime, that's supposed to taste amazing

I eat free-range eggs at least.

Free range means instead of each chicken being crammed into a tiny cage, they're all crammed into a bigger cage where they can trample over each other to walk around.

Zoe wrote:

greg-the-fox wrote:

If sometime in the future they can perfect stem-cell grown meat and make it taste as good as the real thing, and it's the same price or cheaper, then I'll stop eating real meat. (they're actually working on this now but it's faaaaar from edible, that's years off)

I don't feel bad for eating animals but factory farming is terrible and also really bad for the environment too actually. I wish I could afford to try grass fed steak sometime, that's supposed to taste amazing

I eat free-range eggs at least.

Free range means instead of each chicken being crammed into a tiny cage, they're all crammed into a bigger cage where they can trample over each other to walk around.

Yeah pretty much this.