Humor : D is for lysdexia Posts : 2524 Join date : 2011-10-19 Age : 30 Location : La Mer
Subject: Science Thread Sat May 04, 2013 6:50 pm
Just thought of making this a thread for everything science related, ideas, stories, questions, and such. Throw things around maybe and see what we come up with.
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I had this idea earlier today at work today. In regards to cloning people this occured to me, even if we make an exact copy of someone we can't really make them the exact same because of their personality. But then this came to me, what if during the growth of the clone while in an artificial womb a computer chip or radio device was inserted and could be used to change the chemistry of the brain? For example, I am 19 years old and my brain was mapped out and essentially copied and downloaded onto a super computer. Meanwhile an exact genetic copy of me was being created with the computer radio thing placed in and wired to the brain. Then, 19 years to the moment, the clone was taken from the artificial womb and the radio was activated and began to download the mapped out brain onto its, essentially, infant brain. Under these circumstances wouldn't it be, down to what he likes and his thoughts be the same as mine at 19?
Lucy GTW Trailer Park Supervisor
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Subject: Re: Science Thread Sat May 04, 2013 7:30 pm
Science is a lie.
Trust only in the healing powers of Jesus Christ.
Tank Abuse
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Subject: Re: Science Thread Sat May 04, 2013 7:42 pm
Praise the lord, for Lucy has seen the light.
But my love of science goes only as far as what new weapon/defense systems they've made/are making.
Railguns? Sweet.
A coating that makes tanks virtually invisible to heat-seeking weaponry? Boss.
A blanket that makes you invisible? Need I say more?
Zaraphayx
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Subject: Re: Science Thread Sat May 04, 2013 7:46 pm
Tank Abuse wrote:
A blanket that makes you invisible? Need I say more?
Finally I can jerk it in public and no one will be the wiser! ^_^
Tank Abuse
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Subject: Re: Science Thread Sat May 04, 2013 7:56 pm
Zaraphayx wrote:
Tank Abuse wrote:
A blanket that makes you invisible? Need I say more?
Finally I can jerk it in public and no one will be the wiser! ^_^
MiloTime
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Subject: Re: Science Thread Sat May 04, 2013 8:18 pm
Spoiler:
How to read people’s minds.
Spoiler:
Watch Those Pupils A persons pupils get bigger when they are aroused, interested and/or receptive. If you look into his or her eyes and see those pupils growing large - it’s looking good for you. Basically big pupils (unless it’s just dark) mean a person likes what they see.
Try this experiment, and you’ll understand how immediate this effect can be. Go right now and look in the mirror at your own eyes. As you look at them, imagine a sexy man or woman you are attracted to - in whatever way would turn you on. You’ll see that your pupils get bigger in just seconds. Actually, if you love to fish, they may get big just thinking about a lake you love. Anything you like to look at can make your pupils bigger.
Now, there are two ways to use this.
1. Mind Reading For the mind reading part, you can now watch for changing of pupil size to know if someone is interested in you or what you have to say. And yes, shrinking pupils generally do mean the person is not interested. Just be careful to note if light in the persons eyes is causing the shrinking pupils.
In addition to judging the general level of interest and/or receptivity to you, you can use pupil size to go a little deeper into a person’s mind. For example, during the course of a conversation, you can describe various scenes or delve into different topics, while watching the persons pupils. If their pupils shrank at the mention of skiing, and got huge when you described a beach you like, you can be fairly certain they would like the Bahamas over a ski resort.
The great thing about this little trick is that you can easily test it and refine your technique. Start with a friend whose interests you know already, and watch their pupils as you describe various places or even ideas. See if getting them to visualize, by saying something “Remember how that car of yours looked,” gets a bigger pupil response.
2. Influencing If you haven’t yet experimented with your own pupils, by watching them in the mirror, go try it now. You’ll find that you can quickly train yourself to change your pupil size at will. Just find a mental image or two that gets them really big, and use these as necessary. Look at a light briefly when you want to shrink your pupils back down. Now, how do you use this?
We all use little clues like pupil size as we interact with people. We are affected by people’s expressions and body language even when we haven’t yet learned to identify it. In other words - the person in front of you will unconsciously pick upon your enlarging pupils. They will unconsciously take this to mean that you like them, and for many people, this will make them like you more.
Listen. This is the easiest and most effective way to read minds. Just pay attention, ask a few questions and listen to what they say about themselves.
Watch the Posture. Leaning towards indicates that the person is interested and receptive.
Watch For Hair Play. When women play with their hair while talking to you, it is almost always a sign of receptivity.
Watch the Mouth. A slightly open mouth is a sign of curiosity and interest.
Watch the Head. A tilting head, especially if it comes with a smile and eye contact, is a sign that the person likes you.
Watch the Eyes Here is what people’s minds are doing when they are thinking or asked to remember something. This is true for most right handed people (reverse all this for left-handed people): As you face them, and their eyes go: Up and to the right - they are remembering a visual image. Up and to the left - They are constructing a visual image. To the right - They are remembering sounds or conversation. To the left - The are constructing sounds or conversations. Down and to the right - They are in an internal dialog. Down and to the left - They are accessing kinesthetic feelings, tastes and smells.
How to influence the opposite sex: Use Mirroring and Matching. Match the speed of your speech to that of the person you’re talking to. Sit like he or she is sitting. Use the words they use. This is a fast way to build rapport. Once there is a “bond” built, you can start to lead the conversation and actions where you want them to go.
Compliment Her or Him. Discover what the person is proud of first, then find a genuine way to compliment them in that area.
Listen. Always show a genuine interest in what the person is saying. Ask appropriate questions, so the person knows you’re paying attention. Use their interests to lead into a direction you want to go.
Make Good First Impressions. Men usually form a quick visual impression in less than 20 seconds, and then make another judgment based on appearance and personality within a couple minutes. Women usually place less immediate emphasis on appearance, and form an “intuitive” first impression in a couple minutes. The lesson? Work fast.
By Steve Gillman. Excerpt from “A Book of Secrets”
Riv Literally the fucking worst
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Subject: Re: Science Thread Sat May 04, 2013 10:20 pm
blackfuredfox wrote:
Just thought of making this a thread for everything science related, ideas, stories, questions, and such. Throw things around maybe and see what we come up with.
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I had this idea earlier today at work today. In regards to cloning people this occured to me, even if we make an exact copy of someone we can't really make them the exact same because of their personality. But then this came to me, what if during the growth of the clone while in an artificial womb a computer chip or radio device was inserted and could be used to change the chemistry of the brain? For example, I am 19 years old and my brain was mapped out and essentially copied and downloaded onto a super computer. Meanwhile an exact genetic copy of me was being created with the computer radio thing placed in and wired to the brain. Then, 19 years to the moment, the clone was taken from the artificial womb and the radio was activated and began to download the mapped out brain onto its, essentially, infant brain. Under these circumstances wouldn't it be, down to what he likes and his thoughts be the same as mine at 19?
Yeah, totally possible, just not with today's tech.
The two big problems are;
-Measuring the old brain.
-Forming the new brain.
No technology we have can measure the brain with enough accuracy while you're alive, and when you're dead, the brain breaks down too quickly to make meaningful measurements.
Assembling an identical copy of it will be a little harder. Probably some kind of really advanced 3d-printing thing would work best.
Kind of like this;
Lucy GTW Trailer Park Supervisor
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Subject: Re: Science Thread Sat May 04, 2013 10:21 pm
Seriously, this shit allows for you to surgically take out half a child's brain and they will still lead a normal healthy life.
Lucan
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Subject: Re: Science Thread Sun May 05, 2013 12:06 am
Pffft?! Can your science explain why it rains?
Lucy GTW Trailer Park Supervisor
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Subject: Re: Science Thread Sun May 05, 2013 12:07 am
Lucan wrote:
Pffft?! Can your science explain why it rains?
It rains because Jesus is sad.
RickyBobbyMew
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Subject: Re: Science Thread Sun May 05, 2013 12:23 am
Lucy wrote:
And you know what the craziest part of it all is?
[wiki link]
Seriously, this shit allows for you to surgically take out half a child's brain and they will still lead a normal healthy life.
Depending on which "half" I'm not sure that would turn out well :p
Even if it was right on the corpus callosum I don't know if I would call that "normal."
Neurons can form new pathways but can't regenerate (after about 3, I think?)
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Subject: Re: Science Thread Sun May 05, 2013 12:24 am
RickyBobbyMew wrote:
Lucy wrote:
And you know what the craziest part of it all is?
[wiki link]
Seriously, this shit allows for you to surgically take out half a child's brain and they will still lead a normal healthy life.
Depending on which "half" I'm not sure that would turn out well :p
Even if it was right on the corpus callosum I don't know if I would call that "normal."
Neurons can form new pathways but can't regenerate (after about 3, I think?)
Yeah, but the two halves are (mostly) redundant. It's totally possible for one half to do the job of both halves in such a way that you can't tell the difference without a medical scanner of some kind.
Lucy GTW Trailer Park Supervisor
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Subject: Re: Science Thread Sun May 05, 2013 12:25 am
RickyBobbyMew wrote:
Lucy wrote:
And you know what the craziest part of it all is?
[wiki link]
Seriously, this shit allows for you to surgically take out half a child's brain and they will still lead a normal healthy life.
Depending on which "half" I'm not sure that would turn out well :p
Even if it was right on the corpus callosum I don't know if I would call that "normal."
Neurons can form new pathways but can't regenerate (after about 3, I think?)
That's what is impressive about the brain. Each neuron isn't required for the whole brain, and they can all be re-written to handle pretty much any task. That's why a doctor can remove an entire hemisphere of your brain, and the remaining one is able to take over all the work without a problem.
RickyBobbyMew
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Subject: Re: Science Thread Sun May 05, 2013 12:28 am
Riv wrote:
Yeah, but the two halves are (mostly) redundant. It's totally possible for one half to do the job of both halves in such a way that you can't tell the difference without a medical scanner of some kind.
People have had it severed, and it causes weird shit.
Like you might cover one eye and be able to read something but not be able to explain what you just read.
Lucy GTW Trailer Park Supervisor
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Subject: Re: Science Thread Sun May 05, 2013 12:35 am
RickyBobbyMew wrote:
Riv wrote:
Yeah, but the two halves are (mostly) redundant. It's totally possible for one half to do the job of both halves in such a way that you can't tell the difference without a medical scanner of some kind.
People have had it severed, and it causes weird shit.
Like you might cover one eye and be able to read something but not be able to explain what you just read.
Yes, in adults where the brain has stopped developing as much and neuroplasticity has gone down significantly, as well as damage to the corpus callosum.
However, in a child, the brain's ability to heal and replace lost parts is much stronger.
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Riv Literally the fucking worst
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Subject: Re: Science Thread Sun May 05, 2013 12:35 am
RickyBobbyMew wrote:
Riv wrote:
Yeah, but the two halves are (mostly) redundant. It's totally possible for one half to do the job of both halves in such a way that you can't tell the difference without a medical scanner of some kind.
People have had it severed, and it causes weird shit.
Like you might cover one eye and be able to read something but not be able to explain what you just read.
I had posted a link to that on the previous page. It's called split-brain.
RickyBobbyMew
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Subject: Re: Science Thread Sun May 05, 2013 12:58 am
Riv wrote:
I had posted a link to that on the previous page. It's called split-brain.
Oh, okay. I had a feeling that might be related, but I didn't bother reading the link :p
blackfuredfox Local Randy Travis
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Subject: Re: Science Thread Sun May 05, 2013 4:45 am
Riv wrote:
blackfuredfox wrote:
Just thought of making this a thread for everything science related, ideas, stories, questions, and such. Throw things around maybe and see what we come up with.
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I had this idea earlier today at work today. In regards to cloning people this occured to me, even if we make an exact copy of someone we can't really make them the exact same because of their personality. But then this came to me, what if during the growth of the clone while in an artificial womb a computer chip or radio device was inserted and could be used to change the chemistry of the brain? For example, I am 19 years old and my brain was mapped out and essentially copied and downloaded onto a super computer. Meanwhile an exact genetic copy of me was being created with the computer radio thing placed in and wired to the brain. Then, 19 years to the moment, the clone was taken from the artificial womb and the radio was activated and began to download the mapped out brain onto its, essentially, infant brain. Under these circumstances wouldn't it be, down to what he likes and his thoughts be the same as mine at 19?
Yeah, totally possible, just not with today's tech.
The two big problems are;
-Measuring the old brain.
-Forming the new brain.
No technology we have can measure the brain with enough accuracy while you're alive, and when you're dead, the brain breaks down too quickly to make meaningful measurements.
Assembling an identical copy of it will be a little harder. Probably some kind of really advanced 3d-printing thing would work best.
Kind of like this;
Okay, then what Im about to say is going to just sucker punch ethics right out the window and down 20 stories into a car. If one were to use multiple samples of genetic code from people could they pick and choose which genes are going to be reproduced? Would you be able to alter the DNA of the clone to create what would be the biological pinnacle of our current evolutionary state? On the subject of mapping brains too which would be used, what about using a basic brain then going just rewriting certain bits of it? I know how much this makes me sound like a Nazi, but without ethics and using eugenics could we create, well a superior type of human? One that is scientifically made and superior to how we are as of now?
Riv Literally the fucking worst
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Subject: Re: Science Thread Sun May 05, 2013 9:53 am
blackfuredfox wrote:
Okay, then what Im about to say is going to just sucker punch ethics right out the window and down 20 stories into a car. If one were to use multiple samples of genetic code from people could they pick and choose which genes are going to be reproduced? Would you be able to alter the DNA of the clone to create what would be the biological pinnacle of our current evolutionary state? On the subject of mapping brains too which would be used, what about using a basic brain then going just rewriting certain bits of it? I know how much this makes me sound like a Nazi, but without ethics and using eugenics could we create, well a superior type of human? One that is scientifically made and superior to how we are as of now?
Well, yes and no. Genetics is still in its infancy, and we pretty much have no idea what we're doing.
The human body is kind of like a fine pocket watch in the early 1900's. Yes, the technology is primitive and simplistic, with plenty of room for improvement, but nobody really has any certainty regarding what the next step is going to be..
Ouiji
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Subject: Re: Science Thread Sun May 05, 2013 9:57 am
I carried two brains back to the lab from the autopsy suite on Friday. We removed them a week ago. Also, interesting fact, eating armadillos can result in leprosy.